well i know you’ll think this is crazy, but many people have proved the so called “genocide” to be an exaggeration, a massive exaggeration… i’ll post links, which are probably too long for you to read at once, but just incase one day u come back to this thread and wanna be enlightened, here they are:
and the guy who talks about it wasn’t even turk, so no bias there 
and another fantastic site:
shall we end it here??
duuuuuuuuuuude ur always talkin about the number :S … if 100 millions is exageration for u … one million is good ??? 100 000 ??? 100 ?
gimme a number ? and remember that GOD said who killed one soul that allah prohibited its like killing all the humanity …
so im not discussing the number here :S … and dont take it as a hate to turkey , as i told u they r not the only ones to do that … we can also speak about morocco if u want
and yes lets end it here 
… there is a corner for discussions , lets not ruin this thread
no dude not number i mean intention and order, we’ll argue about it elsewhere, but wait till i finish reading my book coz i’m gonna whip you with facts & figures then
let’s not scare sarah away from now 
hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ok im waiting but remember the main idea ottomans colonised the arab lands
loolllll sarah just skip all this it was just a brother n sister arguing about the remote control :^^:
hhhhhhhhh we will seeeeeeeee B-N
khkhkh waaa yeaah bro and sis fight booofffff if i had a bro like u i would be in 36 by now
oh oh if my turkish teacher saw this she’d give u such a woopin 
Doesn’t sound right to me, or let me at least say Wajdi sounds more logical !
watch from 3:46 to 4:25
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuDtAB5u_S0[/youtube]
thanks for sharing PB wlakin i don’t understand… all i caught was ghalat, 3othmani and faransiy… wanna gimme a brief summary of 3:46 to 4:25 ???
well , i respect W.ghneem … i really dont know why he called it fat7 … but he must be well informed than me , but i dont think ppl in egypte werent muslims in that time …
i think the Mamluks were in power before the Ottomans, but i’m not sure whether the egyptians had converted to islam by then, didn’t Omar r.a conquer Egypt too centuries before the Mamluks and the Ottomans and then the people converted to islam?
anyway there’s a diff between conquering and invading/colonizing
well yes there is a diff … but if they killed inocents during their wars i still dislike that :^^:
a whole nation would not be proud of their ancestors if they went out killing innocent people… and dude remember that these people (Ottomans/Abbasids/Fatimids/Ummayads) weren’t prophets, they made mistakes at times coz they’re not perfect and we shouldn’t expect them to be… we should give credit to the good things they’ve done and appreciate that…
Mad is gonna say: “Don’t compare the Ottomans with the Ummayads/Abbasids/Fatimids” … wakha a sidi wakha, we will just need to learn to agree to disagree with one another since you’re saying black and i’m saying white, i respect your retarded opinion
and i’m still waiting for the summary of si Ghneem’s 3.46 - 4.25, somebody wake PB up already!!
hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ok ok i respect ur opinion too … and ive never said u mustnt be proud of them
wow
i think the changing is actually taking place daba… sob7aaaaaaanallah
:hap:
[quote=Paperbird]Reminds me of Khalid Yassin when he converted 20 Aussie & said to them “now we don’t have a pool for you in the back side to jump into”, anyway…
Once you’re fully convinced with the teachings of Islam, you are actually a muslim, i.e once you realize that Allah is one & Mohammad was his servant & final messenger to the world, you’ve technically become a “muslim” <— which literally means “submitting”, & then you have to confirm this submission officially by declaring/saying : " i bear witness that there’s no god but Allah, & i bear witness that Mohammad is the messenger of Allah "
No ceremony needed, unless you feel like celebrating…
In Morocco, usually people comes to a mosque & declare their “shahada” infront of people so they can be witnesses for them on the judgement day, & the people celebrate the new convert by saying “Allah Akbar” 3 times (this is Islamic tradition not Moroccan invention)
After that, the Imam asks the new convert infront of people : “what new name will you choose?” & this is not an obligation, i mean it’s common & normal to answer by “i haven’t decided yet”
After converting, the following steps are recommanded:
reading the detailed biography of Mohammad : “you don’t put pure water into a dirty pipe & expect it to come out pure from the other side, this pure religion must have come through that pure man” - Yusha Evans (a convert)
The Shahada was the first pillar of Islam, the second is prayer & it needs ablution, it’s the principal mean of the special personal relationship with Allah, so it has to be learned.[/quote]
Very well said paperbird!
“the muslims went within the Turkish lands up to 1100 Kms, too bad our history is ignored by a lot of us, don’t you remember when they used to teach us : what were the advantages of the French compilation on Egypt ? so the compilation was an advantage !!! & yet… with mentionning the disadvantages of Ottoman colonism?..see ! the Ottomans colonized us !! it was an Islamic opening you idiot…so the french are all advantages & the ottomans colonized us ?!! …this is because our brains are messed up, we grew up misunderstanding our own history”
That’s literally what he said, however it can’t be an exact transmission of how he told it…
thanks bro, that’s really deep… this guy has impressed me and i agree with him, i mean the Ottomans were not perfect in any way, i accept that, but their intentions were at least better than that of the French when acquiring new lands… but history is a lying b**** and we’re taught things that aren’t necessarily true…
llah y7fdek for the translation, you’re a bit delayed sometimes bs at least u did it yak
yekh agree 100% :hm:
“the muslims went within the Turkish lands up to 1100 Kms, too bad our history is ignored by a lot of us, don’t you remember when they used to teach us : what were the advantages of the French compilation on Egypt ? so the compilation was an advantage !!! & yet… with mentionning the disadvantages of Ottoman colonism?..see ! the Ottomans colonized us !! it was an Islamic opening you idiot…so the french are all advantages & the ottomans colonized us ?!! …this is because our brains are messed up, we grew up misunderstanding our own history”
That’s literally what he said, however it can’t be an exact transmission of how he told it…[/quote]
The Ottomans never colonized Morocco
These are the only countries that were occupied by the Ottoman Empire,
Algeria (Algiers) (1536-1830);
Algeria (Constantine) (1637-1830);
Algeria (Oran) (1708-1732, 1792-1831);
Egypt (1517-1798, 1801-1914);
Eritrea (Massawa/Habesh) (1557-1884);
Libya (Cyrenaica) (1521-1911);
Libya (Tripolitania) (1551-1912);
Libya (Fezzan) (1842-1912);
Somaliland (Zeila) (Hargeisa) (Burco) (Berbera) (1548-1884);
Sudan (1553-1914);
Sudan (Nubia) (1553-1885);
Sudan (Darfur) (1874-1883);
Sudan (Equatoria) (1871-1889);
Sudan (Kordofan) (1821-1883);
Tunisia (1534-1881);
They weren’t able to enter Morocco.